By now, everyone who wants to know about the vote on Women’s Ordination in San Antonio knows. If anyone who reads my blogs does not yet know, I support WO for three reasons.
First, the Old Testament system of priests and sacrifices passed away. We have one Priest and one Sacrifice: Jesus. So long explanations about qualifications for the priesthood are simply irrelevant.
Second, in our history as a church, we initiated ordination as a means of identifying which preachers claiming to be SDA’s did in fact represent our beliefs accurately. The rest were afterthoughts. We invented this process; we can change it.
Third, there is no indication that spiritual gifts are limited by sex; on the contrary, it is quite clear they are distributed as the Spirit determines, without regard to sex. If the Spirit gifts a woman with the gift of “pastor and teacher,” (see Eph. 4), we deny that gift to our detriment.
With that out of the way, let me address what I see as the real problems which led to the showdown at the Alamodome.
The reason that we’re arguing about this in the first place is we have ceased to be a Movement and have become an Institution. Movements have an identity, a goal, and a purpose. Whatever and whoever fulfills that identity, and helps move toward the goal will be welcomed, because the end toward which we labor takes precedence. Will some new approach help? Wonderful! Are there tried and true methods that still work? Great! Can this woman or that child or the other graybeard be effective? Bring ’em on!
During WWII, women took over numerous roles previously reserved for men. The mission of defeating the totalitarian powers and securing liberty swept aside traditional roles and objections.
When we are clear on our identity and mission again, we won’t care if the prophet is male or female, old or young. We will only care that we are achieving our purpose.
To mix metaphors: So long as we don’t know where the ship is going, we will argue over accommodations. When our destination is again clear, we will direct our efforts to reaching it.
But the whole process revealed something even more troubling, or, more accurately, something deeply disturbing about our current sense of identity.
The nearly 2,600 delegates to the General Conference are entrusted with a serious responsibility. They determine for the global church what they believe God’s will is. This does not mean they are infallible, far from it. But it means their decisions, for good or for ill, will have far-reaching, perhaps eternal, consequences. We would hope that these delegates represent the best we have to offer as a church.
Here’s what worries me. Not that the decision made differs from my own evaluation. In a church of 18 million members, and something approaching 30 million adherents, disagreements are inevitable and necessary. What bothers me is that when the vote was announced, applause broke out. Mike Ryan, in the chair, had to insist that they stop. Observing the debate on both sides, both at the GC and online generally, I have little doubt that whichever side prevailed, applause would have broken out. And I see much the same spirit from most discussing this online. Understandable, perhaps.
But imagine yourself, passionately committed to one side or the other on this debate. You hear that your side has not prevailed. You feel deep disappointment, in some cases approaching despair, because of those who will be hurt, or perhaps even lost eternally because of what you see as a mistaken decision. At this moment, applause and cheering breaks out from those who opposed you. How do you feel? Many, no doubt, would feel a deep sense of alienation, of no longer belonging.
And the best and the brightest, those chosen to represent the church at the highest level and in the most solemn of roles, did not think about how their defeated brethren might react. Too many demonstrated a total lack of empathy. Or they did not care. But I prefer to believe them thoughtless rather than indifferent. Either way this is a problem.
Why did those charged with this solemn duty, fail to think of their wounded brethren? I believe it’s because of a mistaken view of our identity. If our identity is about theological truth, then our theology must prevail, must be vindicated. When those who oppose truth are vanquished, it is an occasion for celebration. Salvation then becomes a matter of theological accuracy. In my experience, we often present our beliefs this way, and many are converted to this point of view.
If, however, our identity is about helping people develop a saving relationship with Christ, and if we are to reflect the character of Christ in our relationships, then how we treat people, especially erring people, matters most.
This lack of empathy, at the highest levels, troubles me. It tells me we have a problem deeper and more difficult to deal with than theological heterodoxy. If we have no empathy for our own fell0w-believers, fail to understand how they think and feel in such a public issues, how can we hope to have empathy for the lost; for those whose lives and choices are so different than our own? It begins to explain why we lose so many of our young adults: we don’t understand their concerns, and we don’t care.
I see that many who favored WO are deeply disappointed. There is much talk of the “church leaving me.” I encourage everyone, on every side of the issue, to ask this question: Is this the kind of church I want to be a part of? And if the answer is “No,” then what can I do to change that? What can I do to transform this church into one that more closely reflects the character of Christ?
It’s easy to leave. I did that myself for 14 months. But where will one go? People–erring, selfish people–are everywhere, even in the mirror. If the church has people in it, they will be such people. That’s the whole point, isn’t it? The church is broken people, slowly becoming whole. That’s where the hard work is, where the real work is. I wasn’t called to San Antonio this July. But I am called to those in my family, my congregation. That’s where I must start. Will you join me?
Right on, Ed. My concern from the beginning was exactly what you have put into words better than I could have. I read another blog somewhere Wed. evening that seemed to say there was booing after some spoke. Really? Is this a Christ-like response to someone you disagree with?
Earlier, the “Global South” indicated that it no longer wanted the NAD, 7% of the membership, to be ‘calling the shots’ (my words). So, why then did they re-elect Elder Wilson? This is not UNITY! It smells of racism and anarchy, something we have seen a lot of here in America over the last 12 months.
Jesus prayed in the garden, “Not my will but YOURS be done.” I wonder how many delegates truly prayed that prayer before the vote.
Sometimes I think we put more time and energy into ‘theological exactness’ than we put into saving the lost.
Thanks again, Brother,
Joe Graffi
Very importent article and I reacognize many things in all kind of groups were I’m going.
How cab the Church LEAVE anyone when the Church has not changed. That arguement makes no sense. The issue is people are changing because if culture and want the church to FOLLOW them. So I am afraid that this church patterned after Chirst, of which the author speaks is more a church that is patterned according what is acceptable in today’s culture. I’m happy that the church has held firm and has proved that its guided by God and not by earth’s changing culture.
Joe, after Dr. Jan Paulson called on Africa and South America to put aside their personal prejudice , there was widespread booing and to be frank hissing
Paul, the church does not condone adornment, yet many of our African brothers adorn themselves in bright Jewell filled outfits. We ask brothers to eat a vegetarian diet and most members in South America eat meat. We are a varied church with regions differences. This should have never been up for a vote and each Union should approve pastors as indicated
Ed, you’re grace filled post is so needed!
Thanks
perfect post. i was a bit confused about applause. i never think that is necessary during a voting situation. and im not fully convinced of either side.
the only thing that i had going for me was the thought that i know God will lead and protect His church the way He best sees fit, no matter what the personal opinions and votes are.
and that theres no stopping any message from God, ordained or not. why we feel obsessed with the idea that one HAS to be ordained to share the message ? i dont know. a message is a message, no matter what. people have taken the pastor’s place in his absence and will continue to do so, without being ordained for it. all people have a message. all people have a purpose.
Paulboa But, my brother, the church HAS changed, and changed again. Paul took slavery for granted. Rather than calling for it to end, he called for masters to remember they had a master in heaven. Today the church rejects slavery in its entirety. God, through Moses, allowed for a bill of divorcement. Jesus rejected divorce altogether.
God never changes; the culture continually changes. The church, if is to communicate the everlasting gospel to an ever-changing world, must continually adapt its methods, or become irrelevant. That’s what had happened to Judaism when Jesus came. It had ceased to adapt to the world around it to the point that it had become totally separated. Jesus called on us to be salt; salt, to be effective, must mingle with that which it is to make salty. This will seem to some as “losing its saltiness,” when in fact it is fulfilling its purpose.
I was watching the vote on TV and I, too, was very disappointed in what occurred after the results were announced. The applause revealed their un-Christian attitude. Not only once but several times before the results were announed Mike Ryan appealed to the delegates not to clap or otherwise show elation (my words) that it went their way.
But I don’t think we can assume that the clapping came for any of the
delegates. Though I have no proof I believe that all the delegates
heeded his
appeal and that the clapping came from the thousands of observers in the
arena.
i have not yet read the article but feel need to comment on womens ordination whether man or woman you can be a leader in your church without holding a position. And may we all learn to serve Christ without worrying about being recognized here on earth.
LesLeno Perhaps you are right. But I have been to three GC’s, including the previous two in St. Louis and Atlanta. The people who are there attend because they care deeply/are deeply involved with the church. Even if not the delegates, we still have a serious problem if such concerned Adventists have so little empathy. In the pews, we tend to be people of “the truth,” and not disciples of Christ.
Great point. Lay leaders are largely unrecognized, but in certain areas, populations or demographics there would be no church without them.
Kennedy Vanterpool
Powerful post I agree 100%
Be careful, very careful of what you speak. We have been warned “The history of the rebellion of Dathan and Abiram is being repeated, and will be repeated till the close of time. Who will be on the Lord’s side? Who will be deceived, and in their turn become deceivers?”—Letter 15, 1892.
I would urge you to not be in rebellion. Let us Press Together, press together!
To whom is this addressed? I’m very wary of random EGW quotes. It says “Letter 15, 1892.” To whom was that letter addressed? What were the circumstances? Without knowing that information, we have no way of knowing whether it’s appropriate for this situation or not.
Here’s another EGW quotation from a letter ““It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.” Letter 77, 1898.
Or perhaps this one: ““It is working upon wrong principles that has brought the cause of God into its present embarrassment. The people have lost confidence in those who have the management of the work. Yet we hear that the voice of the conference is the voice of God. Every time I have heard this, I have thought that it was almost blasphemy. The voice of the conference ought to be the voice of God, but it is not.” Ms 37, 1901.
I suggest we should all be very careful of what we say and what quotes we employ. Perhaps we might want to heed the prophet Isaiah, and ” “Come now, and let us reason together.”
I believe we would better use our energy in regaining an understanding of our true identity as Seventh-day Adventist Christians.
I agree with you Ed. This was abusive behavior and that bothers me more than any vote, also, Absolutely no excuse!!! They were called to the work of God, they were on Holy Ground, not in the Boxing Ring.
This vote does not changed who I am: Deeply in love with my Lord Jesus. He always loves me and has called me to come follow Him. I will always serve Him. I must keep my eyes on my Leader and not on Satan’s distractions.
I do not know one way or the other. But this I do know! Jesus is the light and the only way to the Father and it every child of God ( Man, Women and Child to spread that message so we can go home!!!
I don’t feel like part of “defeated brethren.” I just feel like my brothers and sisters acted like my own family siblings when we were growing up – too young to know better, or possibly old enough but not caring enough. Either way, it wasn’t a good feeling then and even less so now.
Yes, the SDA church left me many years ago. It refused to become relevant to today’s cultural norms, instead trying to impose an outdated culture on today’s Christianity. Plus, other non-Grace, legalistic, works-oriented doctrines finally made me realize I could no longer be an SDA. I no longer felt I could promote change from within.
Jesus also did nothing to change slavery. Neither did He choose women disciples, though he treated each man and woman with respect and love. He did urge the adulterers to sin no more and strongly warned those more interested in political & financial power than spiritual power with tears in His voice. Love to them called for strong warnings & woes. Shouldn’t we be very careful to not confuse political and social maneuvering with fulfilling our mission to do what Jesus told us to do? Whatever He has called you to do, please be about His business! Have you ever wondered what happened to the potential 12th apostle whose lot wasn’t chosen? I doubt he was shunned. . . I hope he didn’t go off & sulk that he wasn’t “ordained”. He was in the upper room! The Holy Spirit was given to them ALL! There is surely more than enough work for all of us. When Paul says to “Let this mind be in you” he goes on to talk about Jesus humbling Himself, even to death on the cross. The cup given Him was/is the anointing that we will receive from what He told James and John. God help us to look at Jesus and take up His cross, knowing that whatever suffering we endure He has born infinitely more! He says that the insults that fall on us have really fallen on Him. He says His yoke is easy, when He bears it with us. We don’t have to reprimand our brethren for inappropriate applause. He will attend to their characters in the same way He will attend to ours! He’s in charge of all the purifying! I’m so thankful!
Michael W Spencer I think Ed is urging for a movement focus for the entire church and not to be stuck in tradition. He is not encouraging a rebellion.
“When we are clear on our identity and mission again, we won’t care if the prophet is male or female, old or young. We will only care that we are achieving our purpose.”
@J Dog The vote was just to give Unions the FREEDOM and OPTION to ordain women, though. It really wouldn’t affect countries and regions where they were not yet ready for the ordination of women because they wouldn’t have to do anything- it’s just an added ability of the Union. However, the NAD is filled with leadership and female pastors, some already ordained.
JuliaDanforth Knowing Jesus’ character and how he can use ANYONE to serve His purpose, why should we restrict who we think He can work with. Of course women have the same spiritual gift as men! Need I mention Ellen White? Who would we all be without her leadership…God works within time periods and different cultures to reach select people within their level of understanding. There is nothing wrong with change as long as we keep our eyes on Jesus…Trust in Him…and less in who we think He can and can’t use for His will. For my God can do beautiful things if we allow Him.
@Pat The church and any church is made up of non-perfect people. We all hunger for wisdom and sometimes we fall so short of that! The true church is within your heart in your connection with God. He can carry you through frustrations. I’m glad at least that my generation and my churches have never preached legalistic viewpoints. I know my parent’s generation received much of that damage, but as always, the truth prevailed- given time. Give God an opportunity to guide you if you want by asking him about what you are seeking. Give Him that opportunity to hold you close and help you find your relevant relationship with Him.
Excellent article! I found the cheering to be most unsettling also …
The decision has obviously created major potential problems for the work of the church in the NAD. It has been difficult to see my former Adventist friends point to this decision as yet another indication that the males in our church do not value women. It is hard to refute their stand. All possible explanations sound like weak excuses.
One quote from Jimmy Carter “The truth is that male religious leaders have had – and still have – an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter. Their continuing choice provides the foundation for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world.”
I have not been able to do anything except listen to the chatter. I am deeply embarrassed by the name calling, fighting, booing, hissing and applause in and out of the GC session. I agree that this is an even more troubling manifestation.
I have wondered why this decision and debate went as it did. My thoughts keep returning to the GC conference of 1888. God has a purpose. Perhaps God’s purpose is for us to examine an even deeper issue in our church. We saw that issue in the discussion, debate and voting over an ideology that could have brought us together in creative solutions but instead revealed a work of love that we prayerfully need to allow God to do in our church.
Thank you for such well written article, and expressing so well what and how I felt after knowing the decision taken. It did not occur to leave the church, because I did it and I’m just back. I left because the anti-women feelings in the church that I was attending. Then I went to another denomination and it was worst! So, yes, the church is me, the one I look in the mirror. There is more to do, and I ask from the Holy Spirit the ability to do so.
Well said, Ed. Well said.
Yes, Ed, we will join you heaven is the goal with as many as we can get to the Lord, as Caleb and Joshua saw the land of promise is the goal and all must go forward be it with us women as well. The first sermon after the resurrection was sent by a woman.
Expecting empathy for the rebellious groups? I have seen a live voting in PUC for WO 2 years ago and a woman pushing for WO stood up and disrespected our GC president and all in favor of WO cheered! Where is respect, values and “empathy”? In San Antonio no person was disrespected, the cheering was because of – God’s word stood, the Holy Spirit intervened and it was an answered prayer. Though I get it, we should not rejoice in other peoples’ misery. The true issue in San Antonio is that even the GC voted NO for division to decide independently in ordaining women, NAD is still determined to do it anyhow! The issue is – rebellion is deep rooted, already well planned to destroy the church from within. I have no question when women take responsibility and in fact empower them in the ministry, should have equal pay with men – but the headship must be men; like Christ’s 12 disciples were all men even though there were extra-ordinary women in that time. Let us not forget, we are a peculiar people and we are different from the world!
JuliaDanforth I have to comment about that ‘other disciple’ mentioned in Acts 1:23. His name is rendered “Joseph called Barsabas”. Interestingly, both he and Matthias show up in Acts 15:22.
More to the point, No one is ‘going off to sulk’. I hope neither is anyone gloating. I am more concerned with the wasted time, effort and the distraction caused by this whole issue.
Ed Dickerson LesLeno
You may be right Ed, but still, I think it would be worse if the delegates were responsible.
Culture should not change the Church, Jesus said , I change not! After 6000 years why give in an change now,, what God has written, He who adds or takes away from this Book, the Bible , to him will be added plagues or eternal life be taken away, plain. We can not allow cultural changes and or spiritual formation to infest our Church and both have. Ellen White spoke of these thing when she talked of the Omega, the Church appears to fall but It Will Go Through, there are three main agenda s on the line to tear down God’s Church, women’s lib, spiritual formation, transgender item. You say the Church needs to move ahead, it is by 3000 souls added daily, a new Church added every 9 minutes this Pentecost days be for our very eyes. Staten is angry as a hungry Lyon and this is only a start. May God keep us focused on the mission and not turned away from His work He has given us to do, what do people on the outside think and believe of us when they see, heat, watch us? Do they see Jesus, We must Remember He Our Lord and Saviour Started this movement, Ellen White said, we need consecrated men to work in the field, again who am I to Change what God has ORDAINED. love in Christ Jesus, Amen. Was. State. Ray Renk
@Cathy Bauer Amen And Amen to your words, well spoken. Ray Renk
IndianaJoni JuliaDanforth Ellen White was ordained so why can not lady’s work as she without being Odained, the young lady who spoke up in G. C. Meetings said it well, I am called of God to lead the young people, I Dont Need To Be ORDAINED.
Ray Renk God doesn’t change. Jesus doesn’t change. The Holy Spirit doesn’t change. But… we’re SUPPOSED to change. That’s how Jesus could rightly stand before the Jewish people and tell them, “You have heard it said…but I say…” The people were astonished to find out it wasn’t enough not to physically murder but their hearts needed to stop harboring hatred (which Jesus equates to murder). They were astonished to find out they had been wrong about a lot of things for a long time.
We need to be very careful here. Jesus warns us about the danger in ascribing Holy Spirit power to Satan, and that those kinds of accusations will stand against us in the judgement (see Matt. 12). The apostles were at first angry with Peter when he had baptized Cornelius’ household. After all salvation was for the Jews. But He clearly meant for the gospel to go to the gentiles. Could it be that here we have failed to grow in a directly God intends us to go? Only time will tell. I think it was divine wisdom in the Holy Spirit speaking through Gamaliel (Acts 5) when he said (adapted for this context), “Leave these [wo]men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these [wo]men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.”
This issue is very complex, and both “sides” would do well to take inventory and learn to respect one another in acknowledgement of those complexities. Those in support should not be so quick to cry “sexist”,”misogynist”, “oppressive”, etc. and those who oppose it should not be so quick to cry, “rebellion”, “apostasy”, “demonic”, etc. I believe God will hold His church together as we navigate through some difficult territory.
And we remain in the wilderness for 5 more years and not cross the Jordan into Canaan. For there are many giants in the land.
Ray Renk I’m not sure where I said “the Church needs to move ahead,” so I don’t understand why you mentioned that. Secondly, since you mentioned the 3000 per day, I’m wondering if you missed David Trim’s presentation to the GC, stating that our statistics are very inaccurate and consistently overstate our numerical growth. Beyond that, I take little solace from numerical increases when I see the church losing 70% of our own children!. Finally, I find it confusing that some who claim to be concerned about faithfulness to the Bible continue to be defend a non-biblical concept. The notion of an ordained clergy and a non-ordained laity is alien to the New Testament. It is, like Sunday observance, a residual Catholic influence.
@Cathy Bauer Disagreement is not disrespect. Unless, perhaps, that’s a bit of projection.
Michael W Spencer
To whom is this addressed? I’m very wary of random EGW quotes. It
says “Letter 15, 1892.” To whom was that letter addressed? What were the
circumstances? Without knowing that information, we have no way of
knowing whether it’s appropriate for this situation or not.
Here’s another EGW quotation from a letter ““It has been some years
since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.”
Letter 77, 1898.
Or perhaps this one: ““It is working upon wrong principles that has
brought the cause of God into its present embarrassment. The people have
lost confidence in those who have the management of the work. Yet we
hear that the voice of the conference is the voice of God. Every time I
have heard this, I have thought that it was almost blasphemy. The voice
of the conference ought to be the voice of God, but it is not.” Ms 37,
1901.
I suggest we should all be very careful of what we say and what
quotes we employ. Perhaps we might want to heed the prophet Isaiah, and ”
“Come now, and let us reason together.”
I believe we would better use our energy in regaining an understanding of our true identity as Seventh-day Adventist Christians.
Randy Harmdierks Ray Renk no hate in my heart, Ellen White said the body of the Church is to rule and God in the body of the World believed an named delicate s, so, God has spoken, that’s it, so why contest what the Body has said in an through God, this is the time we could use to move ahead an go home. There is a storm just around the corner that Ellen W. Has said we are ill prepared. Ray Renk
Ray Renk Randy Harmdierks I’m sorry for any misunderstanding; I wasn’t suggesting you have hate in your heart. I was pointing to a specific example Jesus gave in the sermon on the mount designed to help the Israelites grasp a more complete understanding of the gospel. My point in sharing was simply to illustrate that present truth is progressive. If we don’t learn anything new, we’re doing it wrong…
I assume your comment about the church ruling and God speaking through this vote is rooted in Mrs. White’s statement that the GC in session is the highest authority on earth. It’s interesting that she later said this:
“It is working upon wrong principles that has brought the cause of God into its present embarrassment. The people have lost confidence in those who have the management of the work. Yet we hear that the voice of the [General] Conference is the voice of God. Every time I have heard this, I thought it was almost blasphemy. The voice of the [General] Conference ought to be the voice of God, but it is not, because some in connection with it are not men of faith and prayer, they are not men of elevated principle” (April 1, 1901, Ms. 37).
I believe God is in control. That doesn’t mean, however (and as indicated by Mrs. White’s statement above), that every decision made by the GC in session is a correct decision or in harmony with God’s will. As protestants, we do not believe in infallible leadership… Only time will tell whether or not this vote was His will or not. But if you ask me, God’s blessing is clearly on those faithful women who are turning the world upside down for His Kingdom in places like China.
JuliaDanforth You need to read it again. I did not reprimand anyone. I pointed out how a lack of empathy hinders us not only within the body, but in our outreach. That is simply a fact. We cannot reach people we show no empathy for.
Two ditches went to war. Mud balls hurled across the path, meant for the opposition, hurriedly thrown, rarely hit their mark. Many a being upon the path above the mire, became collateral damage. In the confusion of war, only the confusor wins. I seek the Clarifier to make sense of the carnage.
1 Cor. 4:3,4 “But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.”
The kingdom of God will always define itself, if i am patient. For who am i that i should define that which is bigger than me? From which i came?
Gal. 3:26-28 “For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ.”
Rom. 3:10 “There is none righteous, no, not one.”
Every individual has been given Grace, and that is not a free ride, but a reinstatement of the power to CHOOSE. (Gen. 3:15)
There are no longer just two sides, but three; God, satan, and me. When i choose a side, i exempt Myself from the equation. Sides only exist in satan’s kingdom. Never forget that two bitterly opposing sides joined to kill our Master.
Nurtured pride created sidedness in the first place where none existed. Pride begets comparison and comparison begets competition. Competition gives us-well, you know,-losers. We ALL lose.
Whatever offends me, shows me my culture; and my culture is anything i do not, will not, nor will allow to be, questioned.
Christ is the Scandalon, our Rock of offense, the Stumbling Stone. Christ offends me! He questions me! To show me my culture-that of a sinner, who is given Grace, to choose to—GROW! To begin to show me how to walk on the path, to teach me about the culture of heaven; about righteousness(not RIGHT, but equitable and just), and about humility(really it means teachable–for a really long time) and perfection(not flawless, but joined in the process of growing, of my free will, with God and with you).
Do you think? Do you feel? If you answered yes to both of those questions you have all the ingredients of an individual, a character, and every character has been called by God to GROW! That’s what i want to do and Christ promised to help me do it!
i want to live in His culture where there is no hierarchy, no status, no guile, no comparison, no competition. How will you Choose?
I am a servant of GOD, a SDA, a woman, a mother, sister, aunt,
grandmother and friend. The decision was made but GOD has the final say.
See no matter which way we view this issue of WO in the
scriptures it is said The LORD is not a respecter of persons, HE chooses
whom HE will use and in what capacity for it is HIS SPIRIT that is
being poured out on HIS people not ours. As the scriptures states,” let
us reason together”. HE has been lifted up now let us be drawn to HIM.
For if it is not HIS will the way the GC voted it will not prevail, and
if it is HIS will who can stand against HIM? So people of GOD continue
to pray an stay in the faith for it is HIS SPIRIT alone that should
direct our path. Ramona