So, where do we go from here? What I see happening distresses me. Those who favored women’s ordination seem more determined than ever to continue the fight, to convince the rest of the church to change their votes. To them I say: This matter has been debated since 1975. Even though I agree that women’s ordination should be approved, continuing to put this issue first and foremost is not likely to result in what you want.
From those opposed to women’s ordination, those who won the vote, I see endless discussion of “rebellion.” To them I say: Even if I favored your position, I would not favor pressing that line of reasoning, for one simple reason: lecturing people on their rebellion rarely leads them to want to give it up.
The most distressing thing is that both sides demonstrate an almost total lack of empathy, seem incapable of understanding how what they are doing and saying will be perceived by those who disagree with them.
Again, for those who favor women’s ordination, 40 years of argument have not convinced those opposed to women’s ordination that you are correct. Your opponents believe that this position has been repudiated by repeated votes, yet you continue to press the issue. How else do you expect those on the other side to react, except to see that you are in stubborn rebellion?
Please, I implore you, I do not believe that disagreement on this matter is rebellion. But stop and consider those who voted you down, and those who support that position, for a moment. If you think them rigid and self-righteous, if you think them unreasonable, then why keep trying to reason with them? If they are as rigid as you think, then of course they perceive your continuing advocacy for a defeated position to be rebellion.
For those who believe that advocates of women’s ordination support an unscriptural position, and are in rebellion against God’s will, what is new about that? Have you not been telling them that for some time now?
Insanity has been defined as doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. So why do both sides insist on pursuing the same lines of argument that have produced the present impasse? I could say that sounds like insanity to me, but instead I will employ Dr. Phil’s question: “How’s that working for you?”
Lest anyone miss the point, I’m saying the same thing to all: it doesn’t make any sense to keep doing what you have been doing. If not for the sake of the church, then for the sake of your own position, please stop.
It has been my experience that everyone’s natural reflex, when confronted by a frontal assault, is to dig in and fight back. That is what has been happening, and it has brought us to this sorry state
And once again, I say, this issue has been and continues to be a distraction. Please, I am not saying it is an unimportant issue. What I am saying is it is not the most important issue.
When I began this blog, it was my purpose to reiterate what I believe about what our identity and purpose is. The reason for this continuing series of blogs has been to give shape to what I believe Adventist identity needs to be today. And I will continue that in future posts.
But this post is calling for something different. The disciples had to go through Gethsemane, Calvary, the resurrection, and the ascension before they came to Pentecost. And at Pentecost they were all praying, and they were of one accord. That is my appeal at this hour. To both sides, I say, “Please, please pray earnestly that God will show you how best to heal this wound.” After you pray, pause and ask that God will speak to you. Listen patiently.
Do not, I warn you, do not pray that “The other side will see the light, and do what they ought to heal this wound.” Be very very wary of any insights you suddenly have on what those who disagree with you need to know or do. As a good friend of mine said to me, “When God speaks to me, he speaks to me about me.”
Many of our brothers and sisters in the church are going through significant temptation at this time. Some are being tempted to give up, to leave, to relinquish hope. Many are being tempted with pride. Pride that they have been proven correct; pride that though they lost the vote they are morally superior; pride that their opponents’ behavior demonstrates how wrong they were. These souls are in great peril.
Many of us go through dark nights of the soul, personal Gethsemanes. I believe this is such a moment for the church, and all the more dangerous because it is unrecognized by some. Gethsemane is never a pleasant place. But understand that there are two outcomes among those who passed through that dark time: Christ prayed to His Father, and emerged resolute and comforted, fortified for the coming trial. The disciples slept through Gethsemane, and were devastated by the coming trial.
If the church is the object of Christ’s supreme regard, as I believe it is, then we may be certain that He is praying the Father for this church at this moment in history. Let us join Him. And again, rather than praying that our opponents or adversaries be changed, let us pray that God will reveal how we may best promote the healing of His church.
Lord, I pray that those who mourn may be comforted. And I pray that those who exult in their victory may be humbled, so that they may receive grace, for we know that You give grace to the humble. Lord, rain grace on Your church, and may You reign in grace in the church. Show me how to be an instrument of peace, and a channel of grace. Amen.
Folks need to keep their eyes in the Word. Time is short. Why would anyone be debating leaving the church at this time! Focus, focus, focus. The Lord is coming!
Thank you for your thoughts, Victoria. We believe the Lord IS coming soon. And so we too believe this is a time to have all hands on deck, so to speak.
At the same time, however, we should exercise compassion and understanding toward those among us whose faith in the Adventist Church (not necessarily in Christ) has been shaken.
I agree. And therein lies the issue. Thank you for this FB page. Good stuff.
amen. i love this. this is my favorite post on the topic that i have seen so far.
this advice should be applied to more topics than just this one as well. so i hope that those who read make the connection from this topic to using this advice toward their other disagreements as well. i know i am.
Well, where from here? If you’re saying it will never change for women’s ordination in the SDA church, I would say that there is the option to walk away. No need to stay and be labeled a rebel or to waste time and energy, is there? The church is basically a volunteer organization. The SDA church is made up of more women then men. If men were doing such a great job then why aren’t men coming into the church and bringing their families into the faith? Men have had the reins and they aren’t producing. Growth is in other countries and not in Western or post-modern societies. The church can thumb their nose at that and say it doesn’t matter. . . but all people matter to Christ. Women had a big part in its early growth in America. I read Light Bearers and that point wasn’t lost on me. The SDA church is great at talking to itself. In the Western world it is less and less relevant.
I thank you for your thoughts. I am so very close to leaving the church over this issue. I have found the injustice almost too much to cope with. I would rather be a million miles away from the church at this time. I am however choosing to look to Jesus but it is amazing how my fellow church members can upset me so much that I don’t think i can go on. I am so angry at the hypocracy that is all around me and right through our denomination. We are no longer a people of the Book and that breaks my heart. In my view we have quenched the Holy Spirit and I have a sickening feeling that we will not be crossing the Jordan anytime soon.
In my view what are seeing is nothing short of spiritual abuse. Those of us who are fully supportive of womans ordination have been attacked in a way that has been frightening. Our denomination has a serious problem and if we sweep the whole thing under the carpet and refuse to address it we will show that we are an unhealthy group of people and not safe to be around.
Jeankel I am not saying it will never change. I am saying that if it is to change, those who favor it must change their tactics. So long as the current tactics are employed, every victory for either side on this issue is a Pyrrhic victory: winning the vote but entrenching an increasingly embittered minority.
I am also saying that maintaining focus and energy on this issue is a distraction. So long as we remain focused on this issue, we will not make progress on our mission. If we change our focus to our real purpose and identity, this issue and others will resolve themselves. There is no issue about women pastors in China. That’s because, in a very traditional and patriarchal culture, the church’s focus is NOT on the issue of ordination. Nineteenth century North America was very patriarchal, yet the Advent movement had no qualms about a woman prophet.
I appeal to you: if this issue is very important to you, then focus on the issues of identity and purpose of the Adventist church. When we rediscover that, it will take precedence over everything else, and the contributions of all those gifted by the Spirit–definitely including women–will be welcomed and recognized by the world church.
Valmaep I have been where you are. In a previous post I mentioned that I quit attending the church for some time. I left a deeply dysfunctional congregation that was continuously abusive to me and my family. But I found there is nowhere to go. I will gladly pray for you in this time of trial. Never let go of hope. You may know or find others who share your faith, and with whom you can fellowship. I will pray for that. And, if I can be of any assistance, you may send an email to me via OUTLOOK.
Ed Dickerson Valmaep Yes I know that there is no other place to go and I will face the challenge of maintaining my spirituality on my own. Its just going to be me and God and somehow i am excited about that.
Ed Dickerson Have been thinking about what you said to Jeankel. I think that you might be on to something. My fear is that this will be swept under the carpet and the same old abuse and wrong teaching will continue. Kind of like if there is a pedifile in the family we all have to close ranks and put on a good front to diguise the abuse. Focusing on who we are as a people and why we were raised up I think might have some merit. I will just have to get my strength back first though!!
Would you write the same article if the disagreement was over racism, or abortion, or sex trafficking? “You’ve been pushing this for 40 years, and you are still losing. Give it up.”
@Viking if you really think Women’s ordination is equivalent to racism or abortion, we have nothing to discuss.